Hi.
Please don't hate me?
I know you don't. You all still loooove me, even though I've completely dropped the ball on this P&P blog, right? *gulp*
I'm so sorry about my absence. I think I just piled one too many things up on my plate, and this one fell to the wayside and I completely spaced about it. This book has been a hard one to lead an ongoing discussion about, because, really? It's just a good, quick read about love and romance. It doesn't exactly delve into heated life-topics that can carry a lively discussion over weeks of time. Or, maybe it does, but I just haven't had the energy to carry it through to the end.
All of that to say, I have finished the book because I got to the point where I couldn't put it down and read about 1 bazillion chapters in one night. But, if you guys are still chugging along, I encourage you to keep going! Keep posting! Keep letting us know if you're thinking or feeling anything specific!
If you haven't picked up the book in awhile, or (gak!) you've been patiently waiting for me to assign the next chunk of reading, just keep at it- go at your own pace!
How would you guys feel about just letting me know when you're done with the book as well, and then we could still do the 'group movie watching night' all together and then discuss the movie after enough of us have finished the novel?
What do you all think about this new game plan?
I think you all are precious and I'm sorry gain for not keeping up with this fun project we started together. You can either email me your thoughts or, as always, just post them here!
Cheers!
Saturday, July 7, 2007
Tuesday, June 19, 2007
Finally feeling semi smart
Since I'm having all these preggo problems, one of my limitations is that I can't lift Brandon. This also means that I can not put Brandon in time out and he knows it. This morning Brandon was really testing my patience. First he started tugging the computer cord. I said NO or you will go in time out. Basically he laughed at me and tugged harder. I lost it. I pulled his milk out of his hand and I grabbed his hands and looked at him and said "You need to listen!" Very sternly. He didn't care what I was saying all he cared about was his milk out of his reach. I HAD HIM! So a few minutes later he's being bad so I take his milk and he's good. Then he climbs up on the bar stool and starts pulling push pins out of the message board. I say stop and he doesn't. So, I grab his milk, which is ten feet away and he is totally uninterested in, and I take it away and put it in the fridge. HOLY MELT DOWN PEOPLE. Bye this point I've had it, so he doesn't get the milk back. Then I realize I'm out of leverage. Shit now what. I go to get something in the garage and he follows me out and proceeds to sit down and refuses to come in, so I say...
"Brandon if you don't come inside I am putting Elmo in time out!"
I've never seen a little boy run so fast. He ran right inside, grabbed Elmo and sat down and behaved for the next 20 minutes till grandpa came to get him.
MOM WINS ONE!
"Brandon if you don't come inside I am putting Elmo in time out!"
I've never seen a little boy run so fast. He ran right inside, grabbed Elmo and sat down and behaved for the next 20 minutes till grandpa came to get him.
MOM WINS ONE!
Just Curious
Hi Ladies
I was just curious where you all are in your reading? Any new thoughts or revelations? I am still behind in my reading but every time I pick it up I enjoy it more and more. I wish I had the wit and courage of Elisabeth.
The story has also made me very curious about rituals of "courtship" then and now. It all seems so complicated and a lot of work for women and men during that time period. And is it any less complicated now? Anyhoo...
Amy
I was just curious where you all are in your reading? Any new thoughts or revelations? I am still behind in my reading but every time I pick it up I enjoy it more and more. I wish I had the wit and courage of Elisabeth.
The story has also made me very curious about rituals of "courtship" then and now. It all seems so complicated and a lot of work for women and men during that time period. And is it any less complicated now? Anyhoo...
Amy
Tuesday, June 5, 2007
A question
Don't know if it's a good one, but something that I thought a lot about.
Even though I knew Charlotte would marry Mr. Collins because I've seen both movies, I don't think either movie depicted it to be such a calculated act on her part. What do you think of the whole situation? Should she have made her intentions known to Elizabeth from the beginning, instead of letting her friend think she was just trying to give her a break from him? Does anyone else think she's as nuts as I do for marrying him? =)
Even though I knew Charlotte would marry Mr. Collins because I've seen both movies, I don't think either movie depicted it to be such a calculated act on her part. What do you think of the whole situation? Should she have made her intentions known to Elizabeth from the beginning, instead of letting her friend think she was just trying to give her a break from him? Does anyone else think she's as nuts as I do for marrying him? =)
Monday, June 4, 2007
This Week's Discussion Questions (a plea)
Blag!
I'm a bad moderator. (Bad moderator, bad!) I am very late with the discussion questions, and so very busy at the moment, that I am going to ask you all to help me out this week...
Do any of you have a question for us all regarding the book so far? Post it! Do my job! I take nap! harhar.
I'm sorry for my lackluster this week. I promise to return full force by the next discussion chunk. You are all the best and DOING GREAT!
This week's chapters:
VOLUME TWO! Wooo woooo!
Chapters 1-6
Oh, wait... Here's a quick question for you all:
Which character (ANY chracter- man or woman) would you have the most fun playing the part of in a movie or play and why?
My answer: I'd like to play the part of Mr. Bennet because his dialouge is so funny and brilliant and brutally honest... I'd be sure to get a laugh! :)
Friday, June 1, 2007
Little "Peace" of Happiness
So reading this book has made me really want to watch girly movies...especially "Sense and Sensibility" (I wonder why?!) It was so amazing today...I was really wanting to watch that movie, but anyone who has or has had a four month old baby knows that getting to watch a movie all the way through is pretty much impossible. So I thought I would put it on and see how far we could get. Teagan fell asleep about ten minutes into the movie and then my miracle occurred, she slept through the whole movie!!! I just sat on the couch and held her and she slept for two and a half hours...a very uncommon nap amount of time. I think it was a little gift from the Lord...thank you! It was so nice. I got to watch my girly movie (my husband doesn't like any Jane Austen movies) and hold my beautiful little sleeping girl...what a wonderful day! I hope you all had a little piece of happiness on your Friday today. :-)
I'm Elizabeth
I tried to answer as truthfully as possible, although I noticed in the test that if you know the characters of these different Jane Austen books well enough, you can stage your answers and get the character of your choice. But it's only for fun so who cares??
That was way fun, and I knew I'd be Elizabeth! ^_^
Who is Ann Elliot?
I AM
I will have to research her a bit to see just how we are alike. Very fun Quiz!
Wednesday, May 30, 2007
I knew I'd be Emma.
Even though I've never read or seen Emma, I knew I'd be her! I just had a feeling! haha.
Take the Quiz here!
Quiz Results...
I am beginning to enjoy the book more and more as I read. I think I am ahead of our reading a bit b/c once I get reading it's hard to stop sometimes. The chapters are so short that I end just saying to myself, "just one more chapter..." I love reading too, so once I get going it's always hard to put a book down, that is of course when Teagan wakes up...book goes down. :-) She is so worth it though! :-)
I got an "A" in slacking ;)
I haven't posted recently, probably because finishing up with school, submitting grades, and moving completely pooped me out! However, I LOVE LOVE LOVE P&P and will do my best to submit more regularly from now on.
Favorites from the book: Miss Bingley's teasing of Mr. Darcy about the "fine eyes." I'm sure she thinks it will get her closer to Mr. Darcy, but it seems to be having the opposite effect. It makes me wonder how many times I've tried to get closer to someone whose company I enjoy by putting others down and have alienated myself in the process. I'm also loving the fact that I can escape the world of "dude, yeah, like, awesome, for sure," by immersing myself in P&P. It's quite lovely :)
I also took the quiz, and turned out to be Emma! She is certainly one of my favorite Austen characters, and I have definitely meddled in a friend's love life a time or two.
Here's to finishing volume 1!!!!
Favorites from the book: Miss Bingley's teasing of Mr. Darcy about the "fine eyes." I'm sure she thinks it will get her closer to Mr. Darcy, but it seems to be having the opposite effect. It makes me wonder how many times I've tried to get closer to someone whose company I enjoy by putting others down and have alienated myself in the process. I'm also loving the fact that I can escape the world of "dude, yeah, like, awesome, for sure," by immersing myself in P&P. It's quite lovely :)
I also took the quiz, and turned out to be Emma! She is certainly one of my favorite Austen characters, and I have definitely meddled in a friend's love life a time or two.
Here's to finishing volume 1!!!!
Take the Quiz here!
Speaking of Jane Austen...
I found an online quiz that tells you which Jane Austen heroine is most like you.
I've never read Sense & Sensibility but perhaps I should. Take the quiz if you have time. I'd love to see your results!
Take the Quiz here!
I've never read Sense & Sensibility but perhaps I should. Take the quiz if you have time. I'd love to see your results!
Tuesday, May 29, 2007
eek!
I'm such a slacker! It's like since school ended my mind has shut off -- working 60 hours a week helps too! I'm on like..chapter 11? ish. I'm going to try my dangdest to catch up this week--this is kind of disappointing tho : (
Really enjoying this book, but being a blog slacker !
Hi all
Sorry I haven't posted at all. I'm really enjoying this book. I do find myself delighting in Mr. Bennett's sarcasm, and how literally nutty Mrs. Bennett is. And a bit thankful I don't have go play cards, recite literature, and learn the piano to be a "good catch". But truthfully, we probably have just different ways of "promoting" ourselves these days.
I do wonder if Mr. Bennett's commentary is Jane Austen's vehicle for getting her opinions out or if she is more like Elizabeth. The story has make me think a lot about Jane Austen.
Mr. Darcy is likable even with his brash first, second and third impressions.
I haven't quite caught up on all the reading but plan to do so this week!
Sorry I haven't posted at all. I'm really enjoying this book. I do find myself delighting in Mr. Bennett's sarcasm, and how literally nutty Mrs. Bennett is. And a bit thankful I don't have go play cards, recite literature, and learn the piano to be a "good catch". But truthfully, we probably have just different ways of "promoting" ourselves these days.
I do wonder if Mr. Bennett's commentary is Jane Austen's vehicle for getting her opinions out or if she is more like Elizabeth. The story has make me think a lot about Jane Austen.
Mr. Darcy is likable even with his brash first, second and third impressions.
I haven't quite caught up on all the reading but plan to do so this week!
whoops
I have to apologize for not commenting last week. It's been one of those weeks where it flew by, yet seem to drag on at the same time. I felt like I had time for NOTHING. Hate that.
But LOVE LOVE LOVE the book. While on vacay last weekend I finally made myself put it down at chapter 22, for fear I would read to far ahead and then have to reread what was going on to discuss the chapters we were on. But now that I've put it down I haven't had time to pick it back up. And unfortunately am about to enter a busy month, so I guess it's good that I read ahead a little bit.
Mrs. Bennet reminds me of my mother-n-law---in a good way. She's just the mother hen. She wants all her kids to be happy and provided for and her life to be all in a row. My MIL is not nearly as embarrassing, but she definitely could talk your ear off.
Mr. Darcy is so fun to read. To try and figure out what's going on behind the dark persona. I like that he's in battle with himself. That he finds himself thinking about Elizabeth, and wants to be around her, yet knows he shouldn't and tries to maintain his distance. (Even if not successfully) How often do we go and do what we know we shouldn't, instead of taking a step back? Like dating someone that you know is clearly not the right person for you. I think that is an admirable quality of Darcy.
Any way, there's some of my thoughts.
But LOVE LOVE LOVE the book. While on vacay last weekend I finally made myself put it down at chapter 22, for fear I would read to far ahead and then have to reread what was going on to discuss the chapters we were on. But now that I've put it down I haven't had time to pick it back up. And unfortunately am about to enter a busy month, so I guess it's good that I read ahead a little bit.
Mrs. Bennet reminds me of my mother-n-law---in a good way. She's just the mother hen. She wants all her kids to be happy and provided for and her life to be all in a row. My MIL is not nearly as embarrassing, but she definitely could talk your ear off.
Mr. Darcy is so fun to read. To try and figure out what's going on behind the dark persona. I like that he's in battle with himself. That he finds himself thinking about Elizabeth, and wants to be around her, yet knows he shouldn't and tries to maintain his distance. (Even if not successfully) How often do we go and do what we know we shouldn't, instead of taking a step back? Like dating someone that you know is clearly not the right person for you. I think that is an admirable quality of Darcy.
Any way, there's some of my thoughts.
Monday, May 28, 2007
I love it
I absolutely love this book. It makes me want to kiss my husband and be all romantic. It makes me mad and uncomfortable at times. I think it is amazing, that is how a book should make you feel. All the emotions at once. I really do love Mrs. Bennet. In those days that is what you did and her husband loves her so much! I am still falling in love with Darcy even tho he is a jerk. Heheheh.
Taking Your Pulse.
OK, since last week the discussion questions didn't seem to spark much interest, I've only got ONE discussion question for you all regarding the last chapters:
How are you liking the book so far?
Do you love it? Hate it? Find yourselves having a hard time putting it down? Find yourselves avoiding and dreading it like your high school reading days?
I'm just wanting to hear your opinions so far...
Also: Are the reading increments too short or long? Are you way ahead or falling behind?
Here's the next chunk of chapters for this week!
Chapters 19-23
After that, we'll on the Second Volume! You guys are doing great- hang in there!!
Monday, May 21, 2007
Discussion Q's Ch. 7-12
Okay, so I read these chapters all at the beginning of last week, so my memory might not be that great. There is so much going on that it is sometimes hard to remember the details. So, if any of my responses don't make sense, please just disregard them and have mercy on a momma getting by on limited sleep! :-)
1. Does Darcy's reaction to Miss Bingley's flattery surprise you? Why?
No. I like that he pretty much ignores her flattery because it is quite annoying how hard she tries to get his attention. I think he does respond in some ways to her, but in a way that shows he is not interested. Poor just isn't getting the hint!
2. Ummm, can you even BELIEVE Mrs. Bennet in these chapters???
She is a funny woman! So completely focused on getting her daughters married...it is sad though that this is her only focus in life...think of all the other amazing things she is missing. It is a bit frustrating though how she will put others down to make her daughters stand out.
3. Could Elizabeth be judging the character of the people around her too abrruptly?
I think she does jump the gun a bit in judging character, but at the same time, she seems like someone who pays close attention to people and is able to read them fairly quickly. I like this in her...this confidence and strength. She seems to be very okay with who she is, not concerned with what others think. (Sorry, bit of a tangent there). :-)
4. Do any characters appear to have false humility to you? Do any appear to be truly humble?
Miss Bingley has some false humility I think. She acts so concerned about Jane one moment and then the next she is pushing for her to leave. Then she seems all chummy with Elizabeth one moment and the next she is putting her down in front of others. I think she definitely struggles with some pride and this false humility she uses to cover it up. I think she struggles with some low self-esteem and acting humble and sweet is her way of gaining attention.
I think Mr. Bingley show some true humility. He has lots of money and a high social standing which could easily lead him to acting very prideful, yet he is very cordial to the Bennett family (as crazy as some of them can be at times) and he never seems to talk illy of others.
5. Lizzie tells Darcy quite dramatically: "Your defect is a propensity to everyone." What a firecracker she is! Darcy responds: "And yours is wilfully to misunderstand them." Who's character assessment do you think to be more accurate?
I'd have to say Mr. Darcy is the one on the money with this one. I think Lizzie is assuming a lot about Mr. Darcy at this point and he is picking up on it. It is so fun watching these two characters begin to interact. I think something is beginning to spark!!!
1. Does Darcy's reaction to Miss Bingley's flattery surprise you? Why?
No. I like that he pretty much ignores her flattery because it is quite annoying how hard she tries to get his attention. I think he does respond in some ways to her, but in a way that shows he is not interested. Poor just isn't getting the hint!
2. Ummm, can you even BELIEVE Mrs. Bennet in these chapters???
She is a funny woman! So completely focused on getting her daughters married...it is sad though that this is her only focus in life...think of all the other amazing things she is missing. It is a bit frustrating though how she will put others down to make her daughters stand out.
3. Could Elizabeth be judging the character of the people around her too abrruptly?
I think she does jump the gun a bit in judging character, but at the same time, she seems like someone who pays close attention to people and is able to read them fairly quickly. I like this in her...this confidence and strength. She seems to be very okay with who she is, not concerned with what others think. (Sorry, bit of a tangent there). :-)
4. Do any characters appear to have false humility to you? Do any appear to be truly humble?
Miss Bingley has some false humility I think. She acts so concerned about Jane one moment and then the next she is pushing for her to leave. Then she seems all chummy with Elizabeth one moment and the next she is putting her down in front of others. I think she definitely struggles with some pride and this false humility she uses to cover it up. I think she struggles with some low self-esteem and acting humble and sweet is her way of gaining attention.
I think Mr. Bingley show some true humility. He has lots of money and a high social standing which could easily lead him to acting very prideful, yet he is very cordial to the Bennett family (as crazy as some of them can be at times) and he never seems to talk illy of others.
5. Lizzie tells Darcy quite dramatically: "Your defect is a propensity to everyone." What a firecracker she is! Darcy responds: "And yours is wilfully to misunderstand them." Who's character assessment do you think to be more accurate?
I'd have to say Mr. Darcy is the one on the money with this one. I think Lizzie is assuming a lot about Mr. Darcy at this point and he is picking up on it. It is so fun watching these two characters begin to interact. I think something is beginning to spark!!!
Sunday, May 20, 2007
Discussion Questions. (Chapters 7-12)
Chapters 7-12
THEME: THE CHARACTER'S CHARACTERS!
In the last batch of chapters, many first impressions were made by each character upon the others. In Chapters 7-12, we begin to see those first impressions change and shift as the characters are revealed more fully. We become painfully aware that Miss Bingley has the hots for Darcy and that she is annoyingly compliant because of it.
1. Miss Bingley is smothering Darcy in flattery. Yet, Darcy doesn't seem to respond. We know that flattery can feed and swell a person's pride quicker than anything else... Does Darcy's reaction to Miss Bingley's flattery surprise you? Why?
2. Ummm, can you even BELIEVE Mrs. Bennet in these chapters???
3. In Chapter 9, Elizabeth speaks of examining people's characters. Bingley seems offended that Elizabeth claims to have 'seen through him' or 'figured him out' so quickly. Elizabeth tells him that "a deep, intricate character is more or less estimable that such a one as yours." Ouch? Could Elizabeth be judging the character of the people around her too abrruptly?
4. In Chapter 10, Darcy states that "Nothing is more deceitful than the appearance of humility... It is sometimes an indirect boast." True humility is the opposite of pride, but he is saying that FALSE humility is nothing more than pride in disguise. Do any characters appear to have false humility to you? Do any appear to be truly humble?
5. Woo wee! Things get heated at the very end of Chapter 11. Again, we seem to see Elizabeth trying to corner Darcy's character. She tells Darcy quite dramatically: "Your defect is a propensity to hate everyone." What a firecracker she is! Darcy responds: "And yours is wilfully to misunderstand them." Who's character assessment do you think to be more accurate?
Saturday, May 19, 2007
Delayed Discussion!
Hello, fellow P&Pers!
I'm SO very sorry for the delay in discussion questions... I have been really busy the past couple of days and haven't had a chance to relay them to you all! I will post them later tomorrow. Your answers to last week's discussion q's were very interesting and very helpful for me to read through! You are all some brilliant women!
If any of you have any questions you'd like to throw out there before I get around to posting my own questions tomorrow, please feel free!
KEPP UP THE GOOD WORK, I'm having so much fun! Hoot!
:) emery jo
I'm SO very sorry for the delay in discussion questions... I have been really busy the past couple of days and haven't had a chance to relay them to you all! I will post them later tomorrow. Your answers to last week's discussion q's were very interesting and very helpful for me to read through! You are all some brilliant women!
If any of you have any questions you'd like to throw out there before I get around to posting my own questions tomorrow, please feel free!
KEPP UP THE GOOD WORK, I'm having so much fun! Hoot!
:) emery jo
Friday, May 18, 2007
a bit late
My term paper took over my life this week, so P&P has (sadly) been relegated to a back burner. But I turned in my paper night before last and I'm hoping to get these answers in before Emery posts new ones. Forgive me if I write too much...I'm still in paper-writing mode. Once I added the references and double spaced it, my term paper wound up to be a whopping 50 PAGES! Grad school does sick, sick things to your brain.
Anyways, here are my responses:
I deeply admire Jane's ability to think the best of people. However, I think that Elizabeth has a point in critiquing Jane. While Jane is busy looking for the best in everyone, Elizabeth seems to be making an effort to discern the true character of others, which I think is an equally valuable quality to have. Thinking of the two sisters reminds me of Jesus's admonition to us to be "as wise as serpents and as gentle as doves." Perhaps the two sisters together fulfill this statement. Ultimately, it's difficult for me to decide which is better. Maybe the answer to this will be revealed more fully as the book goes on.
It's funny, but I've begun to answer this question just as the track "Sister don't go" comes up on my iTunes. I deeply believe that choice is a big part of love. I don't think it's about retaining the same KIND of love you have for each other in that first little while, but in continuing to find NEW ways to love each other and letting the relationship grow and mature. However, I also think that in order to experience real happiness in marriage you have to be lucky (or blessed) enough to find someone that really gets you.
I think that Charlotte does speak from a certain amount of bitterness. Mrs. Bennett describes her as being plain, and Charlotte doesn't seem to have much hope of getting married or escaping being a burden to her family. Perhaps she maintains that marriage is a matter of chance in order to feel better about not having made her own match yet. If love IS a matter of luck, then she doesn't have to acknowledge the fact that there might be something wrong with her that has kept her from finding a man of her own.
I think it's interesting that Austen tries to create a distinction between pride and vanity, as these two terms are often conflated. In our society, it seems that pride and vanity are almost synonymous. However, the kind of vanity we see a la Paris Hilton and Lindsey Lohan seems to be much more acceptable than straight pride. In terms of the book, it seems that the most proud character is Mr. Darcy thus far. If pride is the tendency of someone to think well of him or herself over others, Mr. Darcy certainly fits the bill. His interactions with everyone at the dance are a perfect example. The most vain character, in my opinion, is Miss Bingley. She seems to constantly do things to draw attention to herself (or perhaps just the attention of Mr. Darcy). Beyond thinking highly of herself, Miss Bingley strikes me as being wholly self-absorbed. It's not enough that she holds a high position in society, she also has to draw attention her status and accomplishments constantly.
Closely related to the the idea of pride and vanity is social prejudice. In Austen's book there is a definite social hierarchy. In Austen's world, money is definitely a factor. However, social prejudice extends beyond bank accounts into the realm of behavior. Mrs. Bennett is highly scrutinized by others for her improper behavior at the party, as are her younger daughters. I think that this kind of social prejudice is present in our society, but more specifically in our churches. How often have people been criticized and ostracized for not behaving in a certain manner? How many times have you felt pushed toward a certain kind of "spiritual reaction" in a worship service? Although Austen's characters are held to a different idea of propriety than we are currently, there is certainly a level of social acceptability that exists in both worlds, and the penalty for failing to fulfill either is social rejection.
My favorite character so far is Mr. Bennett. He seems to reject the idea of propriety, instead letting his daughters run wild. While this is frustrating at times, and may prove problematic later, it's also somewhat refreshing. Most of Austen's characters seem to be highly structured and follow a strict set of unspoken rules, but Mr. Bennett marches to his own drumbeat. He is sarcastic with the ridiculous Mrs. Bennett and seems to care more for his daughters' happiness than fulfilling the role society has imposed on him. My favorite quotation so far comes from him, in response to his wife's assertion that he has no respect for her nerves. He says, "You mistake me, my dear. I have a high respect for your nerves. They are my old friends. I have heard you mention them with consideration these twenty years at least.''
Anyways, here are my responses:
I deeply admire Jane's ability to think the best of people. However, I think that Elizabeth has a point in critiquing Jane. While Jane is busy looking for the best in everyone, Elizabeth seems to be making an effort to discern the true character of others, which I think is an equally valuable quality to have. Thinking of the two sisters reminds me of Jesus's admonition to us to be "as wise as serpents and as gentle as doves." Perhaps the two sisters together fulfill this statement. Ultimately, it's difficult for me to decide which is better. Maybe the answer to this will be revealed more fully as the book goes on.
It's funny, but I've begun to answer this question just as the track "Sister don't go" comes up on my iTunes. I deeply believe that choice is a big part of love. I don't think it's about retaining the same KIND of love you have for each other in that first little while, but in continuing to find NEW ways to love each other and letting the relationship grow and mature. However, I also think that in order to experience real happiness in marriage you have to be lucky (or blessed) enough to find someone that really gets you.
I think that Charlotte does speak from a certain amount of bitterness. Mrs. Bennett describes her as being plain, and Charlotte doesn't seem to have much hope of getting married or escaping being a burden to her family. Perhaps she maintains that marriage is a matter of chance in order to feel better about not having made her own match yet. If love IS a matter of luck, then she doesn't have to acknowledge the fact that there might be something wrong with her that has kept her from finding a man of her own.
I think it's interesting that Austen tries to create a distinction between pride and vanity, as these two terms are often conflated. In our society, it seems that pride and vanity are almost synonymous. However, the kind of vanity we see a la Paris Hilton and Lindsey Lohan seems to be much more acceptable than straight pride. In terms of the book, it seems that the most proud character is Mr. Darcy thus far. If pride is the tendency of someone to think well of him or herself over others, Mr. Darcy certainly fits the bill. His interactions with everyone at the dance are a perfect example. The most vain character, in my opinion, is Miss Bingley. She seems to constantly do things to draw attention to herself (or perhaps just the attention of Mr. Darcy). Beyond thinking highly of herself, Miss Bingley strikes me as being wholly self-absorbed. It's not enough that she holds a high position in society, she also has to draw attention her status and accomplishments constantly.
Closely related to the the idea of pride and vanity is social prejudice. In Austen's book there is a definite social hierarchy. In Austen's world, money is definitely a factor. However, social prejudice extends beyond bank accounts into the realm of behavior. Mrs. Bennett is highly scrutinized by others for her improper behavior at the party, as are her younger daughters. I think that this kind of social prejudice is present in our society, but more specifically in our churches. How often have people been criticized and ostracized for not behaving in a certain manner? How many times have you felt pushed toward a certain kind of "spiritual reaction" in a worship service? Although Austen's characters are held to a different idea of propriety than we are currently, there is certainly a level of social acceptability that exists in both worlds, and the penalty for failing to fulfill either is social rejection.
My favorite character so far is Mr. Bennett. He seems to reject the idea of propriety, instead letting his daughters run wild. While this is frustrating at times, and may prove problematic later, it's also somewhat refreshing. Most of Austen's characters seem to be highly structured and follow a strict set of unspoken rules, but Mr. Bennett marches to his own drumbeat. He is sarcastic with the ridiculous Mrs. Bennett and seems to care more for his daughters' happiness than fulfilling the role society has imposed on him. My favorite quotation so far comes from him, in response to his wife's assertion that he has no respect for her nerves. He says, "You mistake me, my dear. I have a high respect for your nerves. They are my old friends. I have heard you mention them with consideration these twenty years at least.''
Thursday, May 17, 2007
Soooo disapointed
I went to Barnes and Noble Monday to buy this book, because so far I've been reading online. I went back to the section it was in and as I was walking out...about five isles away I saw a book sticking out that turns out to be the sequel to Pride and Prejudice, only written by a totally different author. Against my better judgment I read the back of it and nooooooooow I know how Pride and Prejudice is going to turn out and I'm pretty mad at myself for doing that!
This week...
So I've fallen slightly behind in my reading this week. Mostly because I got so confused on the dialogue in chapter 10 that I've made myself put it down until I can sit and really read it. And maybe re-read it.
So I don't have a quote of the week, (which I know you are all holding your breath for. I kid I kid)
but that means next week you shall get two.
But I'm off, as of noon today, to enjoy the beautiful central coast for the next 4 glorious days. I shall shop at the Cottonball in Morro Bay. Eat as many Firestone ABC burgers as I can stomach in SLO. Shop in every antique store possible in Cayucos. And quite possibly drag my brother and sister-in-law to my favorite crumbly old house off north 46 for some pictures of them, because they're cute. But first things first, tonight I shall stock up on yummy fruit and barbeque and maybe even some flowers at the Farmers Market in SLO.
I can't wait. Vacation is glorious is it not?
So I shall be thinking of you all as I'm reading P&P on my beloved Morro Strand beach, watching the dogs play, and my husband and brother do their best to destroy the new wiffle ball and bat I bought them for the occasion. Oh glorious California!!!! Watch it be foggy all weekend. That is such my luck.
Happy weekend to you all!
So I don't have a quote of the week, (which I know you are all holding your breath for. I kid I kid)
but that means next week you shall get two.
But I'm off, as of noon today, to enjoy the beautiful central coast for the next 4 glorious days. I shall shop at the Cottonball in Morro Bay. Eat as many Firestone ABC burgers as I can stomach in SLO. Shop in every antique store possible in Cayucos. And quite possibly drag my brother and sister-in-law to my favorite crumbly old house off north 46 for some pictures of them, because they're cute. But first things first, tonight I shall stock up on yummy fruit and barbeque and maybe even some flowers at the Farmers Market in SLO.
I can't wait. Vacation is glorious is it not?
So I shall be thinking of you all as I'm reading P&P on my beloved Morro Strand beach, watching the dogs play, and my husband and brother do their best to destroy the new wiffle ball and bat I bought them for the occasion. Oh glorious California!!!! Watch it be foggy all weekend. That is such my luck.
Happy weekend to you all!
Tuesday, May 15, 2007
Um...Totally Unrelated
So Jerry Falwell died today...is it ironic that he died from "heart related complications?" Perhaps it's best that he's in heaven now? I know this is kind of touchy...but was wondering your thoughts. <3
Monday, May 14, 2007
Discussion questions
1. Jane seems to be extremely eager to please. In Chapter 4, Elizabeth says this about her:
"Oh, you are a great deal too apt, you know, to like people in general. You never see a fault in any body. All the world are good and agreeable in your eyes... to take the good of every body's character and make it still better, and say nothing of the bad, --belongs to you alone."
Do you think it is noble or naive for Jane to be this optimistic and "honestly blind"?
I think it is terribly naive for her to be this way. I feel people like this tend to get used or walked on with out realizing it is happening.
2.In Chapter 6, Charlotte states that "Happiness in marriage is entirely a matter of chance." What are your feelings towards this statement? Do you believe there is truth in it? Or do you feel it is spoken from a place of inexperience, or perhaps even selfishness?
I feel it is true. You can date someone for a long time and then get married only to find they change or even you change and you are no longer happy. You see a lot of married people who are unhappy and a lot who are blissful and I think it is purely chance that those two people found each other and were open and honest from day one so when marriage happened there were no surprises and they just continued being happy.
3. The words 'pride' and 'vanity' are written more times than I can count throughout chapters 4, 5, and 6. It is obvious that Jane Austen is stressing a point, here. Who do you find to be the most proud thus far? The most vain?
Hmmm. I know the obvious answer for both would seem to be Mr. Darcy. However, I don't think we have learned enough about any of the characters to make this judgment yet. I think possibly Mr. Bennet would be the most proud because he doesn't seem to show much interest in pawning his daughters off to a rich man or making his family seem more fabulous then it is.
4. Austen is also setting us up for the theme of 'social prejudice' already in these early chapters. In Chapter 5, Miss Lucas says, "[Darcy] has a right to be proud." And the Bingley sisters are said to be "entitled to think well of themselves, and meanly of others." Can you imagine living in a time where your social status determined who you could love? Do you feel there is still some 'social prejudice' in society today?
I absolutely still feel like this occurs. To be perfectly honest growing up, in my own family my parents and grandparents have always made it clear they wanted me to end up with a certain kind of guy. My cousin married a guy who came from nothing and 7 years later my family still dislikes him because of this and they still attribute everything THEY have to her. I also have a ton of friends who felt they had to marry guys with a certain level of education and stature to please their family. I know when I brought Rob home the first time, and he was a simple construction worker from a normal ole family it took a lot of getting used to. Luckily he has the kind of personality that makes everyone love him!
5. Who is your favorite character so far, and why?
Again I'm not sure I know any of the characters well enough. Unlike a lot of you I haven't read the book or seen the movie yet so I am absolutely clueless to all of this. I think I would like to get to know all of the girls a little better before picking a favorite and all we know of the two men so far is that they are attractive and one is friendly one isn't. Because of this I will need to continue reading to make a decision
"Oh, you are a great deal too apt, you know, to like people in general. You never see a fault in any body. All the world are good and agreeable in your eyes... to take the good of every body's character and make it still better, and say nothing of the bad, --belongs to you alone."
Do you think it is noble or naive for Jane to be this optimistic and "honestly blind"?
I think it is terribly naive for her to be this way. I feel people like this tend to get used or walked on with out realizing it is happening.
2.In Chapter 6, Charlotte states that "Happiness in marriage is entirely a matter of chance." What are your feelings towards this statement? Do you believe there is truth in it? Or do you feel it is spoken from a place of inexperience, or perhaps even selfishness?
I feel it is true. You can date someone for a long time and then get married only to find they change or even you change and you are no longer happy. You see a lot of married people who are unhappy and a lot who are blissful and I think it is purely chance that those two people found each other and were open and honest from day one so when marriage happened there were no surprises and they just continued being happy.
3. The words 'pride' and 'vanity' are written more times than I can count throughout chapters 4, 5, and 6. It is obvious that Jane Austen is stressing a point, here. Who do you find to be the most proud thus far? The most vain?
Hmmm. I know the obvious answer for both would seem to be Mr. Darcy. However, I don't think we have learned enough about any of the characters to make this judgment yet. I think possibly Mr. Bennet would be the most proud because he doesn't seem to show much interest in pawning his daughters off to a rich man or making his family seem more fabulous then it is.
4. Austen is also setting us up for the theme of 'social prejudice' already in these early chapters. In Chapter 5, Miss Lucas says, "[Darcy] has a right to be proud." And the Bingley sisters are said to be "entitled to think well of themselves, and meanly of others." Can you imagine living in a time where your social status determined who you could love? Do you feel there is still some 'social prejudice' in society today?
I absolutely still feel like this occurs. To be perfectly honest growing up, in my own family my parents and grandparents have always made it clear they wanted me to end up with a certain kind of guy. My cousin married a guy who came from nothing and 7 years later my family still dislikes him because of this and they still attribute everything THEY have to her. I also have a ton of friends who felt they had to marry guys with a certain level of education and stature to please their family. I know when I brought Rob home the first time, and he was a simple construction worker from a normal ole family it took a lot of getting used to. Luckily he has the kind of personality that makes everyone love him!
5. Who is your favorite character so far, and why?
Again I'm not sure I know any of the characters well enough. Unlike a lot of you I haven't read the book or seen the movie yet so I am absolutely clueless to all of this. I think I would like to get to know all of the girls a little better before picking a favorite and all we know of the two men so far is that they are attractive and one is friendly one isn't. Because of this I will need to continue reading to make a decision
Sunday, May 13, 2007
P&P on the road
Hi everyone; I just wanted to let you know that I will be out of town from the 14th to the 28th and I won't have access to a computer. I am bringing along the P&P book on the trip, but I'm wondering, is it 6 chapters every week? Just wanted to know so I could stay caught up. Thanks!!
Abby
Abby
Saturday, May 12, 2007
Mr. Darcy... <3
It's been a LONG few days since I've read these chapters but here are my answers based on what I can remember! haha.
1. Do you think it is noble or naive for Jane to be this optimistic and "honestly blind"?--I think it is noble for Jane to be this optimistic. I was watching something on the news last night where psychologists are doing a study to see if optimists really do live longer. What's wrong with optimism? I admire Jane for this quality actually...
2.Charlotte states that "Happiness in marriage is entirely a matter of chance." What are your feelings towards this statement?--I agree with whoever said this already in our blog...but I think happiness in marriage is entirely based on choice not chance. I see people who have amazing marriages...bc they WANT to have amazing marriages. Then there are some people who are just "too tired to try"...shouldnt be a surprise that their marriage isnt so amazing. Everyday is a choice to be happy.
3. Who do you find to be the most proud thus far? The most vain?--The most proud is definitely Mr. Darcy...Most vain to me either of the Lucas sisters...i'm not 100% sold on either of them for some reason.
4. Can you imagine living in a time where your social status determined who you could love? Do you feel there is still some 'social prejudice' in society today?--I think that we STILL live in a society where social status determines who you love. I believe that parents play a huge role in this...I actually dated a guy in high school -his family is VERY well to do (his dad is like the lieutenant general of the army or something)...and because I didnt come from a family that was as high on their status list they treated me like I was a nobody. I dated him for 2 years a put up with that crap until I literally couldn't take it anymore. It was almost borderline emotional harassment. Anyways, yes I think there still is social prejudice.
5. Who is your favorite character so far, and why? As I said before--
I would have to say that my favorite character believe it or not is Mr. Darcy! I've noticed that people in my life who initially act/react the way that he does have been hurt and do not wish to be hurt again. My personality bends towards people who are hard to read or those who take longer to open up. They're like a cadbury egg--hard outer shell but inside is this tasty richness that you never knew could be there. I look forward to wading through the mysteries of his personality and discovering his softer sides. : )
yay!
1. Do you think it is noble or naive for Jane to be this optimistic and "honestly blind"?--I think it is noble for Jane to be this optimistic. I was watching something on the news last night where psychologists are doing a study to see if optimists really do live longer. What's wrong with optimism? I admire Jane for this quality actually...
2.Charlotte states that "Happiness in marriage is entirely a matter of chance." What are your feelings towards this statement?--I agree with whoever said this already in our blog...but I think happiness in marriage is entirely based on choice not chance. I see people who have amazing marriages...bc they WANT to have amazing marriages. Then there are some people who are just "too tired to try"...shouldnt be a surprise that their marriage isnt so amazing. Everyday is a choice to be happy.
3. Who do you find to be the most proud thus far? The most vain?--The most proud is definitely Mr. Darcy...Most vain to me either of the Lucas sisters...i'm not 100% sold on either of them for some reason.
4. Can you imagine living in a time where your social status determined who you could love? Do you feel there is still some 'social prejudice' in society today?--I think that we STILL live in a society where social status determines who you love. I believe that parents play a huge role in this...I actually dated a guy in high school -his family is VERY well to do (his dad is like the lieutenant general of the army or something)...and because I didnt come from a family that was as high on their status list they treated me like I was a nobody. I dated him for 2 years a put up with that crap until I literally couldn't take it anymore. It was almost borderline emotional harassment. Anyways, yes I think there still is social prejudice.
5. Who is your favorite character so far, and why? As I said before--
I would have to say that my favorite character believe it or not is Mr. Darcy! I've noticed that people in my life who initially act/react the way that he does have been hurt and do not wish to be hurt again. My personality bends towards people who are hard to read or those who take longer to open up. They're like a cadbury egg--hard outer shell but inside is this tasty richness that you never knew could be there. I look forward to wading through the mysteries of his personality and discovering his softer sides. : )
yay!
Call me crazy
But I think that Mr. Darcy doesn't like his position in "Society". I Think he is at most uncomfortable with the whole thing! You know how is was, or at least in this book back then. They loved to have the rich snobby good looking one at the party. They loved to hate him. They all believed he was above him and they talked bad about him for it. I don't think that Mr. Darcy truly believes this about himself, which shows his anger towards everyone and everything.
This man needs some love.........I want to love this man!
This man needs some love.........I want to love this man!
Friday, May 11, 2007
Anne's Thoughts...
This is kind of like a book report and is bringing me back to high school a bit...but at least this is by choice not awaiting a grade! Anyways, here's what I think...
1. I admire this quality in Jane, and definitely think it to be more noble than naive. There are days I wish I could see more of the good in people so I could truly love them like Jesus does. I love how Jane continues to see the best in people even when others around her are pointing out their flaws. I think we could all use a bit more of Jane in us.
2. Happiness in marriage is a choice I believe, not by chance. Yes, maybe things were different during those times, so maybe it made sense back then, but I definitely don't agree with that for today. I agree with Candace that this seems to be the mindset of society today when it comes to marriage, which truly breaks my heart. When I was a little girl I was taught that marriage is forever, and sadly that is not the message most of the children today are receiving. Especially due to all the "celebrity marriages" that last for a blink of an eye. My hope and prayer is that Teagan (my daughter) will understand how truly important marriage is. It is a covenant never meant to be broken, even through the roughest of times. And in those rough times you can choose to be happy, that's up to you and how committed you are to having a successful marriage. So, I believe this statement comes from more of a place of selfishness.
3. The most proud character so far would have to be Mr. Darcy. I know it seems like the obvious answer, but Jane Austen defines pride as what opinion we have of ourselves. The way Mr. Darcy is described and his actions show that he thinks himself to be better than most. This is an opinion he makes very clear to those around him. The most vain character? I'd have to say Mary. She seems to try so hard to be noticed...not surprising being one of five single women. Sadly this is such a true struggle today between women especially. I can't say that I don't struggle with it.
4. Yes, I do believe there still is social prejudice in today's society. It may not be as obvious in the same sense as the time period of P&P, but it is still there in many forms. Can I just say "Hollywood." It is sickening sometimes how celebrities are somehow made to be more important than others. We are all people, just some happen to be in movies...that doesn't make them greater or more special than anyone else. Especially when it comes to the law...that is a whole other discussion though so I will stop there. :-)
5. My favorite character so far would have to be Lizze. I love that she doesn't let Mr. Darcy get to her and blows off his rejection of her like it is nothing. She seems confident and strong, not defined by what others think of her.
Those are my thoughts for now...I can't wait to continue reading and to hear all of your thoughts as well!
1. I admire this quality in Jane, and definitely think it to be more noble than naive. There are days I wish I could see more of the good in people so I could truly love them like Jesus does. I love how Jane continues to see the best in people even when others around her are pointing out their flaws. I think we could all use a bit more of Jane in us.
2. Happiness in marriage is a choice I believe, not by chance. Yes, maybe things were different during those times, so maybe it made sense back then, but I definitely don't agree with that for today. I agree with Candace that this seems to be the mindset of society today when it comes to marriage, which truly breaks my heart. When I was a little girl I was taught that marriage is forever, and sadly that is not the message most of the children today are receiving. Especially due to all the "celebrity marriages" that last for a blink of an eye. My hope and prayer is that Teagan (my daughter) will understand how truly important marriage is. It is a covenant never meant to be broken, even through the roughest of times. And in those rough times you can choose to be happy, that's up to you and how committed you are to having a successful marriage. So, I believe this statement comes from more of a place of selfishness.
3. The most proud character so far would have to be Mr. Darcy. I know it seems like the obvious answer, but Jane Austen defines pride as what opinion we have of ourselves. The way Mr. Darcy is described and his actions show that he thinks himself to be better than most. This is an opinion he makes very clear to those around him. The most vain character? I'd have to say Mary. She seems to try so hard to be noticed...not surprising being one of five single women. Sadly this is such a true struggle today between women especially. I can't say that I don't struggle with it.
4. Yes, I do believe there still is social prejudice in today's society. It may not be as obvious in the same sense as the time period of P&P, but it is still there in many forms. Can I just say "Hollywood." It is sickening sometimes how celebrities are somehow made to be more important than others. We are all people, just some happen to be in movies...that doesn't make them greater or more special than anyone else. Especially when it comes to the law...that is a whole other discussion though so I will stop there. :-)
5. My favorite character so far would have to be Lizze. I love that she doesn't let Mr. Darcy get to her and blows off his rejection of her like it is nothing. She seems confident and strong, not defined by what others think of her.
Those are my thoughts for now...I can't wait to continue reading and to hear all of your thoughts as well!
My answer to discussion questions
Hey ya'll sorry that I've kinda stayed in the background until now! I have seen a couple of the P&P movies, but I've never read the book; I've tried to read it a couple of times, but I found it so boring that I couldn't go on. But I'm trying again!!
1. I think it's good that Jane sees the best in everyone, although I do think it's a good trait to be able to acknowledge the not-so-good traits. We shouldn't be completely blind to the bad because then we can become gullible and easily taken in. So I guess I'm saying that it's noble in a way, but mostly naive.
2. I'm totally in agreement with Candace on this one; Charlotte is completely wrong! Love in a marriage is a choice; it's not something that only chance brings. I know from watching my own parent's marriage that you should be willing to work through the bad times together.
3. I'm not quite sure as of yet, but I think Mrs. Bennet might be the most prideful. She's always fishing for a compliment from other people, and she's quick to point out how pretty Jane is.
4.I think there are still some traces of social prejudice in this day and age. For example, when a wealthy guy marries an ordinary woman, we tend to say, "She mostly likely married him for his money." It's like we'd be more willing to accept the marriage as genuine if she had money as well.
5. I really like Elizabeth; She's spunky, and a good friend to Charlotte. She's a good sister also, and She seems like a loyal person.
That's all for now =)
Abby
1. I think it's good that Jane sees the best in everyone, although I do think it's a good trait to be able to acknowledge the not-so-good traits. We shouldn't be completely blind to the bad because then we can become gullible and easily taken in. So I guess I'm saying that it's noble in a way, but mostly naive.
2. I'm totally in agreement with Candace on this one; Charlotte is completely wrong! Love in a marriage is a choice; it's not something that only chance brings. I know from watching my own parent's marriage that you should be willing to work through the bad times together.
3. I'm not quite sure as of yet, but I think Mrs. Bennet might be the most prideful. She's always fishing for a compliment from other people, and she's quick to point out how pretty Jane is.
4.I think there are still some traces of social prejudice in this day and age. For example, when a wealthy guy marries an ordinary woman, we tend to say, "She mostly likely married him for his money." It's like we'd be more willing to accept the marriage as genuine if she had money as well.
5. I really like Elizabeth; She's spunky, and a good friend to Charlotte. She's a good sister also, and She seems like a loyal person.
That's all for now =)
Abby
Nice to meet you, I'm Brittany!
I'm a new stay-at-home mom experiencing the joys of motherhood day by day, watching my son learn and grow as I, myself, gain wisdom from his existence.
I'm a lover of laughter, music, shopping, family and cuisine.
Providing a good upbringing for Callaway is my top priority. I am so blessed to have this beautiful child in my life. He is truly a gift from God.
Happiness is Sunday morning when my husband and I snuggle in bed with our smiling baby until it's time to get ready for church.
Discussion ?'s
1.Maybe Jane just has a true sense of grace and love for people. Always giving them more than they deserve and trying to see their true beauty regardless of their faults. Finding the positive in everyone is not always easy but something I would love to be able to do, so that I could love them regardless of the failings. I don't think she is naive, but somebody I would like to live more like!
2.I think that this is what is wrong with society today. People truly believe that if your marriage isn't working out you just had bad luck and should move on and try again. But one of my favorite sayings, coming from a song by one of my brothers friends Joel Limpic, is "Love starts with emotion but ends in devotion." I think this statement is so powerful because it begins to hold us responsible for the choice we made, and I believe that love is a choice just as much as an emotion. As a marriage may grow weary at times we must choose to love our spouse through these moments and in turn strengthening the marriage we chose to enter into.
I know that back in these times they may not have had so much a choice as we do today, but I do believe that in those marriages they could still show love to all, by practicing this choice to love rather than giving up. So I believe this statement is spoken out of selfishness.
That is all for now =)!
2.I think that this is what is wrong with society today. People truly believe that if your marriage isn't working out you just had bad luck and should move on and try again. But one of my favorite sayings, coming from a song by one of my brothers friends Joel Limpic, is "Love starts with emotion but ends in devotion." I think this statement is so powerful because it begins to hold us responsible for the choice we made, and I believe that love is a choice just as much as an emotion. As a marriage may grow weary at times we must choose to love our spouse through these moments and in turn strengthening the marriage we chose to enter into.
I know that back in these times they may not have had so much a choice as we do today, but I do believe that in those marriages they could still show love to all, by practicing this choice to love rather than giving up. So I believe this statement is spoken out of selfishness.
That is all for now =)!
Jessica Noel Cheatwood
I am a a beautiful person inside which makes its way to the out. I love to express myself with art and sometimes I actually make something pretty decent! I want to know God in a consistent deeper way which takes me just doing it, I want to learn how to serve God unswervingly. Give me a good fantasy, a worm bath and sleeping children and I well be the happiest little Mama in the world!!
Lorie's Answers and quote of the week
1. While it could be naive of Jane to be so optimistic, I think it's also an admirable trait. How often do we judge people by our initial encounter, regardless of the circumstance, without giving them the benefit of the doubt? I know I do, which is not something I'm proud of.
2. I think Charlotte is speaking from inexperience, and possibly even a place of bitterness. She's 27 (which is practically spinster during that time) not yet married, and it is indicated by Mrs. Bennet that she is someone nobody could admire her. And also, we don't know what kind of example her parents set in their marriage. I think our opinion of marriage is due in large part to the examples of those around us, especially our parents.
3. Refer to quote of the day below.
4. I think there is still a level of social prejudice, people thinking they can behave in a certain way and get away with it because of their social standing. Paris Hilton anyone?
But I can't imagine feeling like I was inept to love someone because of my or his social standing. That whole "wrong side of the tracks" mentality is something I haven't had to encounter personally. Although my husband does like to joke that I married up.
5. Favorite character? Probably Mr. Bennet. He reminds me so much of my husband. Witty, sarcastic, and although could be miserably annoyed by his wife, just lets her be her-if not having a little fun with her.
Okay, my quote of the week:
Chapter 5, Mary is speaking:
"A person may be proud without being vain. Pride relates more to our opinion of ourselves, vanity to what we would have others think of us"
The ironic thing about Mary saying this is that she, to me, appears to be quite vain herself. Austen talks about her prior to the above speech, that she is someone who "piqued herself upon the solidity of her reflections"
translation: She had pride in being received as reflective. Later, in chapter 6 it talks about her performing at the party; " in consequence of being the only plain one in the family, worked hard for knowledge and accomplishments, was always impatient for display"
What do you think? Do you think she is vain or prideful?
I really was struck by that quote. Am I prideful? Or Vain?
I struggle with both, but as someone who wants everyone to like her, I guess I would struggle most with vanity.
What about you?
2. I think Charlotte is speaking from inexperience, and possibly even a place of bitterness. She's 27 (which is practically spinster during that time) not yet married, and it is indicated by Mrs. Bennet that she is someone nobody could admire her. And also, we don't know what kind of example her parents set in their marriage. I think our opinion of marriage is due in large part to the examples of those around us, especially our parents.
3. Refer to quote of the day below.
4. I think there is still a level of social prejudice, people thinking they can behave in a certain way and get away with it because of their social standing. Paris Hilton anyone?
But I can't imagine feeling like I was inept to love someone because of my or his social standing. That whole "wrong side of the tracks" mentality is something I haven't had to encounter personally. Although my husband does like to joke that I married up.
5. Favorite character? Probably Mr. Bennet. He reminds me so much of my husband. Witty, sarcastic, and although could be miserably annoyed by his wife, just lets her be her-if not having a little fun with her.
Okay, my quote of the week:
Chapter 5, Mary is speaking:
"A person may be proud without being vain. Pride relates more to our opinion of ourselves, vanity to what we would have others think of us"
The ironic thing about Mary saying this is that she, to me, appears to be quite vain herself. Austen talks about her prior to the above speech, that she is someone who "piqued herself upon the solidity of her reflections"
translation: She had pride in being received as reflective. Later, in chapter 6 it talks about her performing at the party; " in consequence of being the only plain one in the family, worked hard for knowledge and accomplishments, was always impatient for display"
What do you think? Do you think she is vain or prideful?
I really was struck by that quote. Am I prideful? Or Vain?
I struggle with both, but as someone who wants everyone to like her, I guess I would struggle most with vanity.
What about you?
Who is I????
I thought a lot about those questions yesterday...
Is it alright to admit I'm still figuring that out?
I'm a woman on the brink of motherhood.
Someone who views everything as something to photographed.
Someone who never slows down, loves to laugh, procrastinates horribly, and is constantly learning and growing to become a better follower of Christ.
I am happiest when my husband and I are curled up on the couch watching the Office. Or when my hands have something to do (taking pictures, sewing, quilting, knitting, scrap booking, painting, planting, sometimes even cooking).
The one thing on my mind these days? This...or this.
I think I cheated, that was a little longer than it was suppose to.
Is it alright to admit I'm still figuring that out?
I'm a woman on the brink of motherhood.
Someone who views everything as something to photographed.
Someone who never slows down, loves to laugh, procrastinates horribly, and is constantly learning and growing to become a better follower of Christ.
I am happiest when my husband and I are curled up on the couch watching the Office. Or when my hands have something to do (taking pictures, sewing, quilting, knitting, scrap booking, painting, planting, sometimes even cooking).
The one thing on my mind these days? This...or this.
I think I cheated, that was a little longer than it was suppose to.
Discussions Questions (Chapters 1-6)
1. Jane seems to be extremely eager to please. In Chapter 4, Elizabeth says this about her:
"Oh, you are a great deal too apt, you know, to like people in general. You never see a fault in any body. All the world are good and agreeable in your eyes... to take the good of every body's character and make it still better, and say nothing of the bad, --belongs to you alone."
Do you think it is noble or naive for Jane to be this optimistic and "honestly blind"?
2.In Chapter 6, Charlotte states that "Happiness in marriage is entirely a matter of chance." What are your feelings towards this statement? Do you believe there is truth in it? Or do you feel it is spoken from a place of inexperience, or perhaps even selfishness?
3. The words 'pride' and 'vanity' are written more times than I can count throughout chapters 4, 5, and 6. It is obvious that Jane Austen is stressing a point, here. Who do you find to be the most proud thus far? The most vain?
4. Austen is also setting us up for the theme of 'social prejudice' already in these early chapters. In Chapter 5, Miss Lucas says, "[Darcy] has a right to be proud." And the Bingley sisters are said to be "entitled to think well of themselves, and meanly of others." Can you imagine living in a time where your social status determined who you could love? Do you feel there is still some 'social prejudice' in society today?
5. Who is your favorite character so far, and why?
Feel free to answer these as much or as little as you'd like! Let's get some discussion going!
Our next week's chapters will be:
Chapters 7-12
Thursday, May 10, 2007
He calls me mommy
I could easily write the words mother, mom and mommy over and over for all of these lines.
I am bored and rambunctious and I need sunshine to grow,
I feel like I'm choking and cannot breath at the same time feeling like I've never breathed more freely,
The small innocent child that has become my whole life, I am obsessed with him growing up and knowing only pure joy, seeing only the beauty in life, and being around long enough to know he is secure in the world with out me. I can't stop thinking I've brought a child into a miserable world. I only hope I am not to small to make a difference in his world.
This same boy looking at me with kissy face saying HI mommy it is then that I breath the easiest. I am happiest when I am with my husband and son. They complete my life. Even when one of them poops on the floor.
I feel like I'm choking and cannot breath at the same time feeling like I've never breathed more freely,
The small innocent child that has become my whole life, I am obsessed with him growing up and knowing only pure joy, seeing only the beauty in life, and being around long enough to know he is secure in the world with out me. I can't stop thinking I've brought a child into a miserable world. I only hope I am not to small to make a difference in his world.
This same boy looking at me with kissy face saying HI mommy it is then that I breath the easiest. I am happiest when I am with my husband and son. They complete my life. Even when one of them poops on the floor.
I've always wanted to be called D'Marie
I am a perfectionist; I love having order in every aspect of my life.
On the other hand....
I am spontaneous; I love to mix things up, never wanting to get stuck in a routine lifestyle.
It is quite a conundrum!
For the last 8 months the thought of starting our family has brought great anticipation for me to get done with school. I would love to begin a new chapter of our lives with a beautiful baby blessing from God! My heart patters at just the thought of holding our very own baby close to my heart and whispering soft "I love you's" into its precious little ear.
I am happiest snuggled in my husbands arms,
realizing how blessed we are
and how thankful I am for God's grace!
On the other hand....
I am spontaneous; I love to mix things up, never wanting to get stuck in a routine lifestyle.
It is quite a conundrum!
For the last 8 months the thought of starting our family has brought great anticipation for me to get done with school. I would love to begin a new chapter of our lives with a beautiful baby blessing from God! My heart patters at just the thought of holding our very own baby close to my heart and whispering soft "I love you's" into its precious little ear.
I am happiest snuggled in my husbands arms,
realizing how blessed we are
and how thankful I am for God's grace!
my best friend calls me drea dear
I am a conistently intellectually stimulated, Jesus-loving thinker who has a hard time accepting the status quo. I'm constantly trying to find the absurd in life to balance out the intellectual, socially aware side of my personality, and so I laugh.
I want to find more time to play, sing, and write music; I want to learn how to stop roaming and find a HOME; I want to see, know, feel, real LOVE (maybe that's why I'm so hooked on P&P).
I am happiest snuggled up on a couch with a loved one while watching a good movie, re-reading the pages of a beloved book, or with my camera in hand, capturing life as it happens.
Highway 1: my camera LOVES this place!
I blew through the first six chapters of P&P last night, perhaps because I've read it several times before. I LOVE the way that Mr. Bennet deals with Mrs. Bennet's sillines--by irritating her to death with sarcasm. I have to admit, I enjoy being sarcastic myself, especially when I have to be in close quarters with someone who's, erm...a little more slow-witted than myself.
This book is like and old friend, and I'm eagerly anticipating what I'll find in a deeper reading of it.
By the way, my name is Andrea :)
Kachina Wenonah
anxiousness and possibility are always in my thoughts and prayers...and i'm sure more and more on my tongue everyday.
I crave knowledge, acceptance, and love more than anyone I know and a paintbrush or a pencil are the best ways that I express myself.
I want to regain my confidence this summer by removing the televisions from my house and learning how to jog.
Happiness is found when I read, write, draw, paint, knit, drink coffe/tea, and take time to notice the blueness of the sky and the greenness of the grass...they are God's artistic expression and are consistently my muse.
<3
Ok-I just finished chapter six and I would have to say that my favorite character believe it or not is Mr. Darcy! I've noticed that people in my life who initially act/react the way that he does have been hurt and do not wish to be hurt again. My personality bends towards people who are hard to read or those who take longer to open up. They're like a cadbury egg--hard outer shell but inside is this tasty richness that you never knew could be there. I look forward to wading through the mysteries of his personality and discovering his softer sides. : )
Just finished Chapter 6
Hi I'm Amy, I just finished Chapter 6. I am enjoying this more than I thought I would. I read "Mansfield Park" 6-7 years ago and had a hard time finishing it but so far I'm hooked on this one. I think the girls Father is my favorite character. He is a touch sarcastic, which I like.
Look forward to discussing this more!
Look forward to discussing this more!
Who ARE You?
You guys are doing GREAT! Keep on reading! Like with all new things, it can be a struggle at first, but this book gets easier to grasp with every page you turn. Stay tuned for a couple discussion questions tomorrow... for now, I thought it would be cool to do an exercise that will help us all get to know each other a little better.
Here's the exercise:
1. Describe yourself in TWO sentences.
2. Then, tell us the one thing that is constantly on your mind now-a-days. The one thing you think about more than anything else.
3. Last, tell us what makes you happiest.
It will look something like this:
I am a constant jumble of thoughts and poems.
Laughter is never far from my lips and I am a homebody at heart.
I want to cut back on television time in my house and spend more time interacting with my son.
I am happiest in a quiet place on a comfy chair with a cup of coffee, a good book, and a journal.
You can either post your introduction in the comments section here, or in a seperate post if you have a picture that you feel describes you in some way.
Tag! You're it!
Here's the exercise:
1. Describe yourself in TWO sentences.
2. Then, tell us the one thing that is constantly on your mind now-a-days. The one thing you think about more than anything else.
3. Last, tell us what makes you happiest.
It will look something like this:
Laughter is never far from my lips and I am a homebody at heart.
I want to cut back on television time in my house and spend more time interacting with my son.
I am happiest in a quiet place on a comfy chair with a cup of coffee, a good book, and a journal.
You can either post your introduction in the comments section here, or in a seperate post if you have a picture that you feel describes you in some way.
Tag! You're it!
Wednesday, May 9, 2007
Did Someone Say "Dictionary?"
I have made it through the first six chapters, and I agree that the first few chapters are a bit overwhelming. I found myself wanting to have a dictionary near by to look up all the big words that I was guessing the meaning of. Reading alone though with a 3 month old is challenge enough, so the good ol' dictionary may just have to remain on my shelf gathering dust. I'll do my best at guessing. Is anyone else having a hard time following all the dialogue? I feel like I have to read over some sections more than once to figure out who is talking and what they are talking about! It is fun to read it with an English accent in mind though when everyone is talking. Try it! :-) I can't wait for more discussions! Happy reading!
Respsonse to Chapters 1-3
Hi Em, am I posting to much? I have to say after reading chapters 1 & 2 I was appalled at this book. The language was driving me bonkers and I was about to throw it all out the window. I told this to Katie (Dickey from high school) and she encouraged me to continue on. So begrudgingly I did. Ooooo I got to chapter three and I must say, I am now drawn into the book. I can't wait to see how it turns out.
I'll have to say when I read your post about taking notes on books I laughed. I thought to myself, "why on earth would she be taking notes?" Now, I find myself hurriedly scratching down notes from this book. There is so much to discuss. Like what a turkey Mr. Darcy seems to be. I read this,
``I certainly shall not. You know how I detest it, unless I am particularly acquainted with my partner. At such an assembly as this, it would be insupportable. Your sisters are engaged, and there is not another woman in the room whom it would not be a punishment to me to stand up with.''
and I wanted to punch him out. However I can't help feeling like we will soon find a reason for his actions. There must be more to this man.
I am having fun trying to decipher which sister they are speaking about. I find myself feeling like I am in school solving those puzzles....Sally is taller then mary but shorter then Lucy...you know. So far I know Jane is older and that is who Mr. Bingley seems to fancy.
I am very frustrated that Mr. Bennet wanted Mr. Bingley to be disliked. I can't understand his reasons for wanting his daughters to be unhappy when meeting him. I am farther behind probably then most of the other readers so I might be pointing out things that they already know the answers to.
So far I have been reading online but I can't wait to rush out and buy the book and also get a pretty notebook to keep track of all of my notes in. I'm having so much fun!
I'll have to say when I read your post about taking notes on books I laughed. I thought to myself, "why on earth would she be taking notes?" Now, I find myself hurriedly scratching down notes from this book. There is so much to discuss. Like what a turkey Mr. Darcy seems to be. I read this,
``I certainly shall not. You know how I detest it, unless I am particularly acquainted with my partner. At such an assembly as this, it would be insupportable. Your sisters are engaged, and there is not another woman in the room whom it would not be a punishment to me to stand up with.''
and I wanted to punch him out. However I can't help feeling like we will soon find a reason for his actions. There must be more to this man.
I am having fun trying to decipher which sister they are speaking about. I find myself feeling like I am in school solving those puzzles....Sally is taller then mary but shorter then Lucy...you know. So far I know Jane is older and that is who Mr. Bingley seems to fancy.
I am very frustrated that Mr. Bennet wanted Mr. Bingley to be disliked. I can't understand his reasons for wanting his daughters to be unhappy when meeting him. I am farther behind probably then most of the other readers so I might be pointing out things that they already know the answers to.
So far I have been reading online but I can't wait to rush out and buy the book and also get a pretty notebook to keep track of all of my notes in. I'm having so much fun!
Chapter one
I'm sitting at work and thought I would give Chapter one a look see. I've never even cracked open this book or heard much about it so I had no clue what I was in for. This book is going to make me need my thinking cap for sure, in fact I think it is time to upgrade to a thinking cap with a Hemi to get through this one!
Hi all
Okay I'm going to join this. I'm so excited. Reading has been my most favorite past time since I can remember. I've read hundreds of books and since having Brandon I have read half of 3 separate books. I find it so hard to read with a baby sitting on your book or chewing the page you are reading, so I am very excited to use the online version..Ha ha try and chew on that Brandon.
Last week Emery was talking about similes and metaphors and I realized I need to go pull out my old AP English binders (yeah I kept those) and my English guide with all the definitions and examples and how to write a paper in MLA and APA because I'm so overly excited about this project I want to make sure I'm at the top of my game.
AND wow maybe someday we can totally read or write poetry and then I can feel like I'm succeeding in my goal to be a writer. YAY!
Last week Emery was talking about similes and metaphors and I realized I need to go pull out my old AP English binders (yeah I kept those) and my English guide with all the definitions and examples and how to write a paper in MLA and APA because I'm so overly excited about this project I want to make sure I'm at the top of my game.
AND wow maybe someday we can totally read or write poetry and then I can feel like I'm succeeding in my goal to be a writer. YAY!
Tuesday, May 8, 2007
Bennet friends and family (pre-Bingley)
I am one of the swooners Emery described in her initial post on P&P. I think I've read this book five or six times, and I'm excited to read it again!!!! I'm looking at it as a welcome diversion from the boring insanity of writing term papers and grading speeches.
I think that one of my favorite characters in the book is Jane. She's not as exciting as Lizzie, but she's such a good-hearted person. Every time I read P&P I wind up feeling convicted that I'm not "naturally good" as Jane seems to be. Since we've learned a bit about the Bennet sisters, I thought it would be fun to include some information about their surrounding community.
Family members:
Mr. Bennet: the father of the sisters. Having had no sons, must give the estate (upon his death) to Mr. (rev.) Collins, his cousin. Lizzie is his favorite daughter, and he tends to take a decidedly uninvolved approach to parenting his wild younger daughters.
Mrs. Bennet: the mother of the sisters. She is described as a "silly woman" with little to no tact, and her goal in life seems to be seeing her daughters married off well. Her maiden name is Gardiner.
Mr. & Mrs. Gardiner: the brother and sister-in-law of Mrs. Bennet. They have no children, and consequently take pleasure in entertaining the elder Bennet girls from time to time. They earned their considerable fortune through trade and live in a somewhat questionable area known as "Cheapside."
Charlotte Lucas: the best friend of Lizzie. She has no fortune and is described as "plain," so her prospects in life aren't the best.
Mr. (Rev.) Collins: the cousin of Mr. Bennet. He is to inherit the Bennet estate upon Mr. Bennet's death. He is the rector in Hunsford, adjoining the estate of Lady Catherine DeBourgh.
I belive this is the extent of the people immediately surrounding the Bennets before the descent of Mr. Bingley and his entourage. If you want any more information about any of the characters, click here.
Happy reading :)
I think that one of my favorite characters in the book is Jane. She's not as exciting as Lizzie, but she's such a good-hearted person. Every time I read P&P I wind up feeling convicted that I'm not "naturally good" as Jane seems to be. Since we've learned a bit about the Bennet sisters, I thought it would be fun to include some information about their surrounding community.
Family members:
Mr. Bennet: the father of the sisters. Having had no sons, must give the estate (upon his death) to Mr. (rev.) Collins, his cousin. Lizzie is his favorite daughter, and he tends to take a decidedly uninvolved approach to parenting his wild younger daughters.
Mrs. Bennet: the mother of the sisters. She is described as a "silly woman" with little to no tact, and her goal in life seems to be seeing her daughters married off well. Her maiden name is Gardiner.
Mr. & Mrs. Gardiner: the brother and sister-in-law of Mrs. Bennet. They have no children, and consequently take pleasure in entertaining the elder Bennet girls from time to time. They earned their considerable fortune through trade and live in a somewhat questionable area known as "Cheapside."
Charlotte Lucas: the best friend of Lizzie. She has no fortune and is described as "plain," so her prospects in life aren't the best.
Mr. (Rev.) Collins: the cousin of Mr. Bennet. He is to inherit the Bennet estate upon Mr. Bennet's death. He is the rector in Hunsford, adjoining the estate of Lady Catherine DeBourgh.
I belive this is the extent of the people immediately surrounding the Bennets before the descent of Mr. Bingley and his entourage. If you want any more information about any of the characters, click here.
Happy reading :)
What im using
http://www.online-literature.com/austen/prideprejudice/
I am going to be using this sight to read the book. Honestly because with two kids, the thought of going down to Barnes and Nobles looking for the book, standing in line and buying the book all without losing my mind sounds down right impossible.
If anyone else is in the same predicament and wants to start reading and don't have time to get the book then here you go!!
Y'all rock!
I am going to be using this sight to read the book. Honestly because with two kids, the thought of going down to Barnes and Nobles looking for the book, standing in line and buying the book all without losing my mind sounds down right impossible.
If anyone else is in the same predicament and wants to start reading and don't have time to get the book then here you go!!
Y'all rock!
2nd attempt
I am so excited to join this "book club", especially since it's a book that, as I told Emery, I started several months ago but like most things in my life I didn't finish and now it sits collecting dust on my nightstand. But this morning as I raced out the door to work I grabbed it thinking I could read on my lunch break. See, you all are holding me accountable and you don't even know me!
I am one of those sad shmucks who saw the movie and became obsessed with the story. I can't help it, I love a good chick flick. Which is why I bought the book, knowing that there just had to be more information than was given in what I like to call the "Cliff's Note Version" of Pride and Prejudice. If you haven't seen the latest Kiera Knightly version, wait until you finish the book. It is a beautiful film from top to bottom. Beautiful scenery, score and cast. But for example, when I first picked up the book I was confused. There are actually TWO Bingley sisters. Caroline, also known as Miss Bingley. And Louisa Hurst, or Mrs. Hurst. The movie only features Caroline, the pompous red head that we love to loath.
Hey could we do a movie night after this is all over and then compare/contrast how much we love/hate the movie?
I am one of those sad shmucks who saw the movie and became obsessed with the story. I can't help it, I love a good chick flick. Which is why I bought the book, knowing that there just had to be more information than was given in what I like to call the "Cliff's Note Version" of Pride and Prejudice. If you haven't seen the latest Kiera Knightly version, wait until you finish the book. It is a beautiful film from top to bottom. Beautiful scenery, score and cast. But for example, when I first picked up the book I was confused. There are actually TWO Bingley sisters. Caroline, also known as Miss Bingley. And Louisa Hurst, or Mrs. Hurst. The movie only features Caroline, the pompous red head that we love to loath.
Hey could we do a movie night after this is all over and then compare/contrast how much we love/hate the movie?
Monday, May 7, 2007
Librivox
Hey everyone. I havent started reading...have to get the book first! : )
But, I don't know if you girls have heard of Librivox or not but it's a free audiobook library online. I found pride and prejudice on there...but I would encourage you all to check it out! I'm exciting about this blog!!!!
http://librivox.org/pride-and-prejudice-by-jane-austen/
<3 Kachina
But, I don't know if you girls have heard of Librivox or not but it's a free audiobook library online. I found pride and prejudice on there...but I would encourage you all to check it out! I'm exciting about this blog!!!!
http://librivox.org/pride-and-prejudice-by-jane-austen/
<3 Kachina
Second time reading
This well be the second time I well be reading Pride and Prejudice. I read it in high school so I am thrilled so say that I am rusty! I am so excited to read with you all. I have only two chapters left if my Series of Unfortunate events book titled "The End" but that should be done in all of 25 minutes (Because it is fact a children book) but brilliant non the less!
Yeah Emery for thinking this up! What a great book!!
Yeah Emery for thinking this up! What a great book!!
Who are the Bennets?
I don't know about the rest of you, but as I've been reading Pride and Prejudice, I've had a hard time keeping all of the Bennet sisters straight. After visiting this website, I can offer you their ages and birth order:
Jane, age 22: Often referred to as "Miss Bennet"
Elizabeth, age 20: Called "Lizzy" by her family and "Eliza" by her neighbors and friends. The narrator never refers to her as "Miss Bennet," but occasionally she will be called such in conversation with other characters.
Mary, age unknown but likely to be 18-19
Catherine, age 17-18: Also known as "Kitty"
Lydia, age 15-16
I'm so excited to be reading this book with all of you! Best of luck!
Jane, age 22: Often referred to as "Miss Bennet"
Elizabeth, age 20: Called "Lizzy" by her family and "Eliza" by her neighbors and friends. The narrator never refers to her as "Miss Bennet," but occasionally she will be called such in conversation with other characters.
Mary, age unknown but likely to be 18-19
Catherine, age 17-18: Also known as "Kitty"
Lydia, age 15-16
I'm so excited to be reading this book with all of you! Best of luck!
And So It Begins...
Hello, pride & prejudice peeps!
Here's how this will work:
Every week we'll read a chunk of chapters together. I'll post the chapters to read every MONDAY.
Every Friday I will post some discussion questions.
All of you will be co-authors of this blog (once I get your email addresses) and will be able to post ANYTHING you'd like as you're reading along. Questions, feelings, thoughts, insights... anything that pops into your head as you read along.
This will be awesome because it will be like a big open discussion board where we can all answer each other and ask questions and really get into the book together. And, if you fall behind in reading for some reason, it's not a big deal at all because you can just read the discussion questions and posts for that week whenever you catch up!
Send me your email addresses if you'd like to participate: emerybored@aol.com
This week's Chapters to be read by Friday-ish:
Chapters 1-6.
(they are short little chapters, don't worry!)
squeal!
Here's how this will work:
Every week we'll read a chunk of chapters together. I'll post the chapters to read every MONDAY.
Every Friday I will post some discussion questions.
All of you will be co-authors of this blog (once I get your email addresses) and will be able to post ANYTHING you'd like as you're reading along. Questions, feelings, thoughts, insights... anything that pops into your head as you read along.
This will be awesome because it will be like a big open discussion board where we can all answer each other and ask questions and really get into the book together. And, if you fall behind in reading for some reason, it's not a big deal at all because you can just read the discussion questions and posts for that week whenever you catch up!
Send me your email addresses if you'd like to participate: emerybored@aol.com
This week's Chapters to be read by Friday-ish:
Chapters 1-6.
(they are short little chapters, don't worry!)
squeal!
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